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Thursday, July 28, 2016

Re: [CCDS Members] J.M. Keynes : The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money excerpt

Efficiency and freedom........

They're both associated with industrialism, which is central to both capitalist and 
ex eastern bloc socialism. Both systems had high degrees of inefficiency owing to not 
being clear on industrialism's interface with the connection between production relations and relations
of production amongst the producers.

The above isn't an attempt to answer your question. It is considerations of some things
to be looked into enroute to that answer.

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On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:23 PM, John Case <> wrote:

Case: Ok socialists: Keynes last sentence asks a question any advocate of MORE socialism in a MIXED capitalist economy, or market socialist one, likely holds an opinion one: Is it possible, contra state authoritarian or command economies,  "by a right analysis of the problem to cure the disease whilst preserving efficiency and freedom..."
Yay or NAY?????


From:  John Maynard Keynes (1936): The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money by John Maynard Keynes

Whilst, therefore, the enlargement of the functions of government, involved in the task of adjusting to one another the propensity to consume and the inducement to invest, would seem to a nineteenth-century publicist or to a contemporary American financier to be a terrific encroachment on individualism, I defend it, on the contrary, both as the only practicable means of avoiding the destruction of existing economic forms in their entirety and as the condition of the successful functioning of individual initiative.

For if effective demand is deficient, not only is the public scandal of wasted resources intolerable, but the individual enterpriser who seeks to bring these resources into action is operating with the odds loaded against him. The game of hazard which he plays is furnished with many zeros, so that the players as a whole will lose if they have the energy and hope to deal all the cards. Hitherto the increment of the world's wealth has fallen short of the aggregate of positive individual savings; and the difference has been made up by the losses of those whose courage and initiative have not been supplemented by exceptional skill or unusual good fortune. But if effective demand is adequate, average skill and average good fortune will be enough.

The authoritarian state systems of today seem to solve the problem of unemployment at the expense of efficiency and of freedom. It is certain that the world will not much longer tolerate the unemployment which, apart from brief intervals of excitement, is associated and in my opinion, inevitably associated with present-day capitalistic individualism. But it may be possible by a right analysis of the problem to cure the disease whilst preserving efficiency and freedom...

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